Hi everyone,
I'm currently looking at buying a 406 coupe, a manual 2L petrol currently in tauranga, however i happen to know that its a UK import, meaning that it has done 146,000 MILES not KMs...
I'd be looking to do an engine transplant, possibly with a 206 GTI or something similar, can anyone tell me if they've done something like this before?
Cheers,
Duncan.
so is that the xu10 engine? if so this conversion has been done quite a bit but not in nz that i know of one other person on this forum was talking about doing the same conversion on ff. The MI-16 is the most popular and easiest conversion on the 205 but more power can generally be extracted out of the more modern xu10.
have a good look though http://www.205gtidrivers.com (http://www.205gtidrivers.com), there is alot of xu10 205 on there.
keep us updated !
Welcome. What would your motivation for engine transplant be? I wouldn't think a 206GTI engine would offer any appreciable performance gains over the 406 motor. From memory they both produce around 130 hp unless you can find a GTI180.
Manual 406es are fast!
Edit: I assume it's this one http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=500928960 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=500928960)
That has an XU motor so swapping with a 206 will probably be less straightforward than swapping with a 306 GTI-6 motor. By the time you go through that rigmarole, you might be better off just tinkering with the existing 16 valve as they are allegedly reasonably good bases to work from and quite common in case something goes wrong and needs replacing :D
Welcome, perhaps a GTI-6 engine would go nicely? Would you want to put a V6 engine in there?
Hi. They also supplied these cars with 6-cylinder engines (and leather interiors) straight from the factory.
Have a look here http://www.406coupeclub.org/Coupe_Engines.asp (http://www.406coupeclub.org/Coupe_Engines.asp)
Unless it is a GTi180 motor I wouldn't bother with the GTi swap for 2 more hp.
A XU10 RS(gti6) head on that motor with pistons cut to suit would be sweet, so basically a GTi6 motor, there is a guy in aussie that regrinds XU10 cams as well, mildest grind will net close to 190hp on a gti6 motor, with remapping of course(so a standalone ecu as I don't think anyone here can do the gti6 ecu).
Quote from: kiwibrick on August 13, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
Have a look here http://www.406coupeclub.org/Coupe_Engines.asp (http://www.406coupeclub.org/Coupe_Engines.asp)
Unless it is a GTi180 motor I wouldn't bother with the GTi swap for 2 more hp.
A RFS(gti6) head on that motor with pistons cut to suit would be sweet, so basically a GTi6 motor, there is a guy in aussie that regrinds XU10 cams as well, mildest grind will net close to 190hp on a gti6 motor, with remapping of course(so a standalone ecu as I don't think anyone here can do the gti6 ecu).
Does anyone know if the coupe came with EW10J4 - RFR engine? (Same one as mine, 206GTi and actually has a significant differences between the RFN engine)
And does this guy happen to work with EW10J4 cams?
Website of the guy that does XU cam regrinding http://www.taylor-eng.com/ (http://www.taylor-eng.com/)
I has a fully rebuilt XU9/10 head with PeterT stage2 inlet and stage1 exhaust grinds. And adjustable cam gears.
Just needs installing and timing up. Really needs throttle bodies for full benefits... oh wait, i have those too.
Peter reckons 200hp easy with all the above.
The rewire and computerer thingee stuff shits me, so am sitting on it for a bit
LOL you never know what people have in their sheds!
I so want some PeterT grinds for my 6, goddamn it......
As a possible alternative, would anyone happen to know anyone else specializing in Pug engine reconditioning? As an alternative to replacing the current engine...
Whats wrong with the engine on your 205 exactly?
Quote from: 2052NV on August 14, 2012, 09:31:31 PM
Whats wrong with the engine on your 205 exactly?
He wants to get a 406 coupe (XU Engine) on TradeMe but afraid the engine is too tired and going to die anytime soon with 234,000ks on the clock, he would prefer to get the engine replaced while possibly gaining power and/or just rebuilding the engine. Am I right Duncan?
Spot on bro :)
Just drive it until it breaks. The engine will probably outlast the rest of the car.
As said above, the motivation is mostly because it is a (relatively) high mileage engine, but also, I'm just fascinated with the idea. Ive always loved the 406 coupe, I always wanted one as my first car but of the few that were in auckland(and my price range), they sold really quickly, or were in terrible condition. My parents own a 2000 406 sedan, the basic 4 speed auto, but we've previously owned 2 307's and found them to be really solid cars.
I'm not enthusiastic about possibly losing my 3-series, but if push came to shove id rather have the 406.
If it's been looked after, 234,000 is nothing. Save the money for fixing the suspension and electrics and engine mounts that are far more likely to be stuffed by then. Just had new shocks, a few bushes, and engine mounts put in my 188,000 km 406 and it's transformed it.
My 6 has done 215k now, still going strong.
Quote from: BigPete on August 15, 2012, 07:04:50 PM
If it's been looked after, 234,000 is nothing. Save the money for fixing the suspension and electrics and engine mounts that are far more likely to be stuffed by then. Just had new shocks, a few bushes, and engine mounts put in my 188,000 km 406 and it's transformed it.
So true actually, can think up of a big list of little things that are wrong and/or will go wrong.
Pete, did you have a problem with your indicator like it randomly indicated left for a split second? Happened to me about every 2 weeks til I talk apart the indicator stalk and saw that the little metal ball where the connection is made has been worn down, swapped it with the high beam one and viola! it was back to normal.
On a side note, highly recommend these guys; http://www.gsfcarparts.com/ (http://www.gsfcarparts.com/) - Cheap, good (Combined shipping), fast, accurate, etc.
Just got a tensioner and idler pulley from them for $120 incl shipping.
Haven't had that problem *touch wood*. My fan shat itself and would only blow full bore all the time though ::)
I got Autolign to indent a set of Bilsteins, which worked out surprisingly economical. Took about three months though.
Pete - did you get that blower problem fixed on your 406? FYI I had the same problem with our Terrano - fan went either zero or 2 million revs a second with nothing in between. It was just the blower motor resistor that was stuffed. It was a really quick fix (even for me) on the Terrano. Will depend on the location tho.
Yeah, I think it was that. Greg Kent had one so put it in when I was having some other stuff done.