Hey All,
Hey I'm Alex, I'm 19 and gave into my need for something boxy and french buying a Peugeot 309GTI off Trade Me and have joined to get some advice and inevitably find some parts.
It's done about 140k and has been almost entirely stripped out by the previous owner who was planning to take it hill climbing. He installed Baker BM silicon radiator and breather hoses and some GTI-6 brakes but apart from that it's pretty standard.
I have a question!
Percy has a lovely lumpy idle when cold, but seems to get a bit more frantic as his engine warms up. at 70 its at about 1800rpm and by 90 it can be as high as 2000rpm. I have heard that the Supplimentary Air Device can stick and you can unclog this? Thoughts on this would be appreciated, is this the thing I should look at first?
I'll post a picture soon... :)
Cheers,
Alex
Welcome along alex!
sounds like you bought this car...
http://www.fastfrogs.co.nz/index.php/topic,5303.0.html (http://www.fastfrogs.co.nz/index.php/topic,5303.0.html)
if you're thinking it's the SAD sticking open, warm the car up and then squeeze the rubber pipe between the SAD and the big rubber intake pipe. if the revs drop then it's a sure thing that your SAD is sticking open.
sometimes you can clean them out with a bit of carb cleaner and it'll help. others you need to find another one or go new (if you can even get them anymore??)
if it doesn't drop revs when that happens, it may have an incorrectly adjusted throttle cable or may need to idel turning down a little on the throttle body. sounds like the SAD might be the culprit though!
these little cars have a fairly simple injection system. once there's no vac. leaks and everything's set up right, they usually run pretty well!
Welcome mate!
I think anyone who has ever brought a 205/309's first post is ALWAYS about the idle! haha. There is also an idle adjust screw on the trottle body which can get blocked up. Take that out (remember to count how many half turns it took to get out!!!!) give it a clean then whack it back in....... Next CHECK FOR AIR LEAKS in the intake system. This is a super common problem which is often over looked....
Did you buy the carbs with the car or did he (Jesus??) sell them seperate??
^ if it's giving a high idle then it could be that the idle port in the throttle is blocked, and somebody has adjusted the idle with the butterfly stopper.
I reckon it's good practice to whip the throttle off any 8v that you've just bought to make sure everythigns clean. fully agree that most peoples first GTI posts are about idle issues lol. my first posts ever on pug forums definitely were!
I put an Mi16 in mine and now it idles sweet.
Quote from: BigPete on November 27, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
I put an Mi16 in mine and now it idles sweet.
This also worked for me too
I recently bought a 205 GTi (same engine as your car) and it idled consistently at 2000 rpm. Been driving it to and from work recently and was starting to think I'll have to have a looksee, as a bit embarrassing sitting a lights with its high idle!
But it's fixed now. Ended up doing an Italian tune-up 8)
Took it to Hampton downs on Tuesday night for a twilight track day and thrashed the living daylights out of it.......
Idles perfectly now - between 900 and 1000rpm :)
Welcome. 309 GTI's are nice.
Not sure I would buy a car with a striped interior unless I was happy to leave it striped... unless he has all the panels and the clips aren't all fooked. They are simple enough though.
Best of luck.
Stick a gti6 engine in it, mi16's are so last year :-X
Quote from: RS on November 27, 2014, 03:07:41 PM
Welcome. 309 GTI's are nice.
Not sure I would buy a car with a striped interior unless I was happy to leave it striped... unless he has all the panels and the clips aren't all fooked. They are simple enough though.
Best of luck.
If possible, get a polka dot interior - they're faster.
Welcome!
Just to let you know that my 1990 205 GTi has been running like a bag of bollocks for a while and recently was struggling at tickover these past few days. I'd put it down to the distributor cap and rotor arm at first, as the rotor arm was pretty worn and hadn't been replaced for a couple of years. Replacing made no difference and I'd previously taken advice about cleaning the SAD, posted here:
http://www.fastfrogs.co.nz/index.php/topic,10145.0.html (http://www.fastfrogs.co.nz/index.php/topic,10145.0.html)
Anyway, that made no difference. But then reading other forums, a post in Aussiefrogs mentioned that one guy soaked his SAD in carby/throttle body cleaner overnight, so thought I'd take it off again today and be a bit more brutal. I sprayed loads through then put my finger over one end and sprayed from the other, which I think forced some crud out, as I've just taken it for a quick test drive and it seems to be behaving a lot better.
Thanks for the welcome & advice everyone! The pug is massive fun have ordered a higher temp fan switch (current one is full speed at ~70!?!) and was going to try your SAD and idle adjustment suggestions this weekend.
Unfortunately whilst parked at New Brighton yesterday a man accidentally *rammed* it in reverse. The bonnet, bumper, headlight, park light are all damaged and the bumper rubs on the front tire. RHS front wing more crumpled than the photo would have you believe. Was in the car and we were shunted about a metre backwards.
I've got the guys details any reccomendations on where to take it for someone to have a look at it, was thinking of just taking it to Laycocks??
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p.s. Apologies to Jesus your pug is looking for slightly forlorn after just over a week of buying it..
Gutted. Hope it can be fixed asap. Don't let the insurers write it off!
That fucking sucks.
Ah, FFS.
Got the car back from the panelbeaters, stopped them at the $2k mark - they were beginning to price new parts and settled with the guy, so the car now owes me very little. Going to chuck a new light in and see if I can persuade the panel back into shape and reattach the bumper where it came loose and drive it for a bit.
Had I pushed it down the insurance route I would have been up for a 'discussion' on a stripped out 26 yo pugs value vs repair costs & time yadayada with the 3rd parties insurance company and I didn't fancy my chances.
I couldn't find the SAD, (might be wrong on this) but I think it's stopped working at some point and been removed, tube into intake capped and the idle adjusted to compensate. Have turned down the idle/cruise control screw and will see if I can reach a happy medium between cold starting and not looking like a dick at traffic lights.
New fan switch off eBay seemed to fix full speed fan @ 70 and extended run on issue, now I only occasionally hear it at low speed after shutoff and the car seems happy.
Cheers for your help
Alex
hey amg_309 welcome to the fun world of french car ownership. sux that your car got drivin into, i know how much of a pain it can be waiting for your car to get fixed.. hope it's back on the road soon..
hmm don't know if the car would run well with sad removed.. i have just been tinkering around on my 205 ,i assume they are in the same place as 309. ??? i took out my battery and took off air flow meter to give me some wiggle room ..
you may have already seen this
http://www.205gtidrivers.com/articles/e3-sad.html (http://www.205gtidrivers.com/articles/e3-sad.html)
keep us posted on progress