Hi,
What a great website!! i stumbled across it a few weeks ago and will definately try and put some photos up. i am a HUGE French Car Admirer and about 5 months ago I purchased my first Peugeot, a 91' 205 GT. WOW...What a fantastic car!! i have always liked the design and when deciding to downsize it was the obvious choice. I tossed up between the GTI being the obvious choice (1.9l) but went for the GT (1.4l) as I prefered the minimal trim and am not too much into sunroofs etc... but, earlier this week as I was driving home from work it started to make a clicking sound for about 5 minutes or so then completely died right in front of Te Papa... ??? I have since taken it to a mechanic and he has informed me that the cam belt slipped a cog and the valves/head are (....) The cost of repairing/replacing this is quite alot so have decided to replace the engine, maybe with a 2.0l, which was my long term plan that has, over night, been turned into a very short term plan. My mechanic said this will be fine but the brakes etc... will need to be upgraded also, which is what I assumed anyways. Having not owned a Peugeot before and definately wanting this to be an on-going project for me, I was wondering if anyone out there could pass on some GOD-LY advice as to which engines will exchange easily, maybe I just need to keep the same cc rating that I have but whilst I'm in the whole for a couple of $G anyway I figure I might aswell get a bigger engine installed now rather than at a later stage...
Your thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated
Graham ::)
hello
man thats bad luck!!!
yes wht awattt (who has beat me to the first post again!) said. mi-16 405 is the best way to go as it is a 16V 1.9l or 2.0l. depends on the year of the car. the erlyer 405's have an alloy 1.9 and the latter have a 2l iron block. but if you are going mi-16 do a bit of reaserch and take the first one you come accros as they arnt common because all us 205 owners snap them up really quick (i.e. usually buying a whole car). the easyer way could be to work a 1.9 8V out of a 205 GTI. maybe even turbo a jap spec GTI. that would be cool as no one on here has done it yet!
Brakes try find (once again not common so jump on any oppertunity) 206 or 306 gti brakes bolt straight on and the holy grail of straight swap brake conversion is the 4 pot brembos frm the late model 405 coupe's. if you do get bigger brakes ull probly want to swap for a bigger master cylender as long travel brake pedal is a scary thort for me. the guys on here usually use 306 master cylenders i think.
the biggest thing is finding all these parts in NZ as they arnt abundent. so getting all the bits together is the biggest time consuming part of it all.
also you could look at doing a 309 GTI suspention swap. the 309 gti has 20mm wider track (frnt a-arms and rear beam). doing that swap transforms the car entirely in my opinion as i have done it to my gti and would highly recomend it.
ok ok ill stop blabbling the best thing to do is RESEARCH. look for english fourums etc they have all done it before and have heps of info.
Cheapest and easiest way to get your car up and running is source a new head from somewhere. Its a pretty easy job to replace a head, can do it in an afternoon.
My advice-buy an MI16 and wreck it, not a BX 16v! ;D
>:( cheeky....why i oughta......... :D
hold on a sec, surely the TU engine mounts are going to make an XU engine swap of any kind a lot more difficult - i know you even need to do some retrofitting when mi16'ing a 205 XS, which has practically the same engine bay as a gti ???
gt + mi16 = complicated
Hi All,
Thanks soooo much for your advice, it's been extremely helpful. I have had a look today at a CJ that might be a possibility for a straight same size swap. It's in pretty good condition aswell but have to see how much he wants for it. I have also been given the number of a guy in wellington who does alot of parts and things for peugeots so he is also going to see if there are any engines around. i think replacing the head (if enging is ok) just to get it going and then take my time to get a decent whole car to exchange engine etc... maybe the most resonable option for me but we'll see what happens next week. Will keep you posted about what is happening and when I get the car back will upload some photos.
Thanks again for your advice, it's GREAT... :P
Graham
Quote from: DRTDVL on November 21, 2008, 11:01:35 PM
The s16, gti-6, gti 180, and mi16 are all common/becoming common engine swaps for the 205's
the gti 180 is more of a conversion than a swap, all the mounts are different and the brake m/c and servo have to be relocated
mi16/s16/gti-6 swap into a 205 GTI is easy as pie :D
You need to see what mounts are under the bonnet. Some can take a Xu engine but some cant with out welding in the Xu style mounts to the inner wings. On the inner wing tangent, Xu style shells have strengthening too that TU's dont have.
A lot of work and a lot of stock needed to do swap. but it can be done. easiest way is to get a 205 GTI
Hey,
A quick update, everything seemed to be going pretty slow but today I managed to get my hands on an engine, unfortunately it's the same size but since reading your responses and speaking to euro car specialists I decided to do this, as the transplant of a larger engine is definately going to be a fairly complicated process, computers etc... maybe I will just have to get a GTI but will see what I can do with this baby 1400 first. Got engine for $400, only really need head, which seems to be good, car only done 100,000 k's ?? (according to speedo) so hopefully its all good. Once head is machined etc.. what could possibly could go wrong :D So everything should be done and dusted next week and then I can focus on the more important things like hp.
Came up to Auckland last weekend from Wellingtron and must say I was very disapointed. I didn't see one single 205 the whole trip there and back. Seems to be plenty of 306's etc... did see a few citroens in Auck's though so that almost made up for it.
Keep up the good work.
graham...
Quote from: DRTDVL on November 22, 2008, 07:31:00 PM
1.6 and 1.8 vtec engines into 205's are being also done...
??? I dont know how I feel about this, seems wrong!
^^ very
seems fast! :D
.....but wrong.
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vtec in 205 = yeaanaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanotatallever!11!!
:)
^ 'Tis quite lol in granny-spec 309 on steels though.
they do have a very similar intake to the mi-16ns tho :P
Quote from: [2052NV] on December 05, 2008, 08:57:09 PM
they do have a very similar intake to the mi-16ns tho :P
.......no.
dual tuned-length intake runners ftw
WRONG. :-\ When will people realise that hondas are the anti christ?
i hate hondas as much as the next man, but i'm still impressed at how much power they squeeze out of a 1.6 engine :P
also:
(http://www.designercars.net/biler/Honda-NSX-72857.jpg)
And they can do this
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lolz. that danger tape should be around that honda. also...poor 205gts thread has been hijacked into a honda slagfest :-X
lol that teg that flipped was rebuilt and did targa this year! pretty amazing
Oh shit! The car fell off again
Hi Again,
Have finally got back from holidays, done over 3000km's and the car went great. i did take some pics and tried to upload them but didn't have much luck... my internet connection was/is slow and i lost the plot and gave up, will try again though. i only saw 2 205's whilst driving around, a white GR in Whangamata and a Black GTI in Whangaparoa.
Being the new year and everything the first thing I am going to do is replace all the shocks and brakes and hopefully lower the front by 2-3 inches as it seems to look a bit high. Haven't started looking for lowering springs yet but don't really know where to start. Has been sugested that I just snip snip them but i have done that before on a RX-3 i had during my school days and didn't really think it handled that well?? Have been introduced to a friends new boyfriend who happens to be a spraypainter so am gonna get a quote for a re-spray as the Red paint is pretty weathered, as seems to happen to most Red cars. Also been looking at alloys for it but there doesn't seem to be much available for the stud pattern etc... most seem to be 17" (ha ha) which I think would look a bit odd, well to me anyway, so thinking 15" will look alright once lowered.
The UK Peugeot sites look amazing with all the after-market parts you can get these things, what a shame we don't have the same down under.
Will try and upload pics again...
Cheers graham
I have uploaded some pics on Photobucket in a folder named Wellington. I have inserted the details below but it doesn't seem to work ???
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Nice pics mate :)
Sorry to derail the thread.
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This car is the baby brother of another 309 with a Honda Type R engine in the UK. The 'original' car is a silver Trio on standard steels. Outside and interior all standard. The engine is running 50mm ex British Touring car direct to head throttle bodies. I think he may have downsized them since then for everyday driveabliity... nutter. Also the handy thing is the cable gearshift allows the gear lever to be placed up high on a tower arrangement so its more WRC-esque :)
Hey All,
Have been doing some looking on the net regarding carb upgrades for me engine. Think I may have a Solex not a Webber on there at the mo :-\. I quess it will be impossible to get a Rallye carb?? Maybe re-jetting?? I have replaced the standard air-box with a Pod filter which has made a big difference... any suggestions about what route to follow...